This Sunday is Rosh Chodesh Nissan 5768 – ה'תשס"ח When the 3rd Shabbos meal continues into the night, one still inserts Retzai – רצה during Birkas Hamazon (grace after meals). When one starts a meal on Erev Rosh Chodesh and eats a Kezayis (the size of an olive – 27 cc) of bread after dark, one inserts Ya’aleh V’Yavo – יעלה ויבוא during Birkas Hamazon. What happens when both of the above happen together? If Rosh Chodesh is on Sunday and one eats a Kezayis of bread after dark during the 3rd Shabbos meal, then one inserts both Retzai – רצה and Ya’aleh V’Yavo – יעלה ויבוא during Birkas Hamazon. However, some argue that mentioning both is a contradiction – since Shabbos and Rosh Chodesh aren’t on the same day. Therefore one should be careful not to eat after dark at the 3rd Shabbos meal when Rosh Chodesh is on Sunday. The same concept applies when Chanuka, Purim or Yom Tov start on Sunday. Since this Sunday is Rosh Chodesh, the Yom Kipour Kotton prayers that some people say on Erev Rosh Chodesh are said tomorrow – Thursday. Source: Kitzur Shulchan Aruch 44:17 - Danny
Wednesday, April 2, 2008
Halocho #85 – Rosh Chodesh on Sunday
סימן מד, סעיף יז - היה אוכל בשבת וחשכה לו, כיון שעדיין הוא לא התפלל ערבית אומר רצה
וכן ביום טוב, ראש חדש, חנוכה ופורים, כיון שהתחלת הסעודה היתה ביום, צריך להזכיר מענין היום אף על פי שמברך בלילה
ואם אכל בערב ראש חדש ונמשכה סעודתו גם תוך הלילה, ואכל גם בלילה כזית פת צריך לומר יעלה ויבא, וכן בחנוכה ובפורים
ואם התחיל לאכול בשבת ונמשכה סעודתו תוך הלילה, ואכל גם בלילה כזית פת ולמחר הוא ראש חדש, אומר רצה וגם יעלה ויבא, וכן בחנוכה ופורים
ויש חולקין משם דהוי כתרתי דסתרי, על כן יש למנוע שלא לאכול אז בלילה
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Somebody asked:
ReplyDeleteIf I understood correctly you only say Retzai if you didn't say Baruch Hamavdil. Is that correct? If it is then its still Shabbos for you so how can you add in Yaaale Vyavoi?
I responded:
Thanks for writing in.
You understood correctly; there's a tension between the fact that it's Halachicly still Shabbos yet "physically" it's already Sunday.
The Poskim have been debating for centuries which way to look at it - the Kitzur (that I quoted) brings the 2 opinions and instead of deciding he suggests to avoid the problem. (The Kitzur rarely brings 2 opinions; he likes to tell people what to do.)
Compare this to the fact that if you didn't say Baruch Hamavdil you are allowed to ask somebody who did say it to do Melocho-work for you. So it's Shabbos and Sunday in the same room.
This idea takes getting used to, I hope I explained it coherently.
- Danny