Monday, April 14, 2008

Halocho #95 - Meals on Shabbos Erev Pessach

  • One may not eat Matza on Erev Pessach.
  • One may not eat bread after mid-morning on Erev Pessach.
  • One should eat a Kezayis (olive's worth) of bread at all 3 Shabbos meals.
How does one reconcile the above? When Erev Pessach is on Shabbos - like this year, there are special considerations regarding the Shabbos meals. One may not cook Chometz food that sticks to the pot since one will not be able to clean the pots (because it's Shabbos) and one cannot leave them dirty (since one cannot own Chometz on Pessach). Shabbos Morning Services need to start early so that afterwards there will be enough time to eat Chometz, which becomes forbidden by a third of the day. Check your local luach (Jewish Calendar) for the correct time. Since one should eat bread at all 3 Shabbos meals - yet in the afternoon one cannot eat bread - it's proper to divide the morning meal into two. After making Kiddush and Motzi and eating something one should say Grace after Meals and then go for a short walk, then make Motzi again to fulfill eating the third Shabbos meal. One needs to stop eating bread by a third of the day, after which one destroy all remainder Chometz (e.g. by flushing it down the toilet) and says Kol Chamiro annulling all Chometz still in one's possession. One can then continue eating the meal. Source Kitzur Shulchan Aruch 77:16, 115:3-4 There are opinions that one should eat the third Shabbos meal as usual, in the afternoon, using fruit, meat and fish. If one eats before mid-afternoon (before the halachic "10th hour" of the day) one can also eat food made from cooked Matza, like kneidelach. One may not eat baked food made from Matza on Erev Pessach. Those who have the custom of eating Matza Ashira ("Egg Matza") on Pessach can use them for Motzi for the 3rd meal, before mid-afternoon. Ashkenazim usually do not eat Egg Matza on Pessach. Source: Shulchan Aruch, Orach Chaim 444:1 The Chofetz Chaim suggests that one do both: Divide the morning meal into two, as well as eating fruit, meat and fish (and kneidelach) in the afternoon. However one should be careful not to eat too much and spoil ones appetite for the evening festive meal. Source: Mishna Brura (8) ibid. If one doesn't want to eat Chometz inside, one can make Kiddush and Motzi and eat a Kezayis (olive's worth) of bread outside, and then eat the rest of the meal inside, as long as everyone is aware of the arrangement before starting Kiddush. If possible, one should see the dining room from where one makes Kiddush. Source: Shulchan Aruch, Orach Chaim 178:2, 273:1 - Danny 9 Nissan 5768


  1. Somebody asked:
    Hi Danny.

    What about Biur Chametz?

    If I do Biur Chametz at Friday , I cannot eat Chametz at Saturday.

    Or it is allowed to do Biur Chametz on Saturday Morning?

    I responded:

    Biur Chametz is done twice:

    Once on Friday mornnig between 10:00 and 11:00 (Israel Summer Time) - we will burn all Chametz except for what we are going to eat for the next 24 hours.

    The 2nd time on Shabbat morning. We can eat Chametz until 10:00 (Israel Summer Time) after which we have to destroy what is left- either by flushing it or by putting it in the dumpster on the street (if the city has an Eruv).

    - Danny

  2. Somebody asked:

    Okay, it's Friday night. What do we make HaMotzei over? Pita? On the table and dishes that are already set for Pesach?? How is that done?

    I answered:

    Various possibilities, including:

    1. Make kiddush & Motzi outside, brush off crumbs, and then finish the meal inside on Pessach dishes.

    2. Do not set table. Make kiddush & Motzi. Eat all bread. Brush away crumbs. Set table with Pessach dishes. Put Kiddush cup away until after Pessach.

    3. Use Chametz dishes and proceed like every week. In the kitchen pour from Pessach pots into Chametz pots before bringing to table. After the morning meal put away Chametz dishes until after Pessach.

  3. Somebody asked:

    Until when can I eat Kitniot on Erev pesach ? during Pesach I don't eat them at all.

    Also - things like Sunflower oil in the UK were not considered Kitniyot and were able to be used, yet here, every sunflower oil is considered kitniyot - any halachic suggestions would be appreciated

    I responded:

    I looked it up - the earliest source is the Chok Yaakov (471:2) who says that you can only eat Kitniyos as long as you can eat Chometz. (This makes sense since we don't eat them since we consider them maybe-chometz.)

    Regarding oil: It's an old argument if oil-of-kitnios is included in kitnios, and what items are kitnios - my cousin wrote a fascinating booklet about it in Hebrew, if you want I can mail it to you. (I'll need an snail-mail address to do so.)

    In Israel they are strict and this is the local custom we all have to follow. As a result people use Palm-oil or Olive-oil or walnut-oil. We found walnut-oil to be the most tasty.

    - Danny, not a Rabbi.

  4. there is always a exception in the rule.
    This year , because of the difficulties and inconvenience, Ashkenazi people CAN (!!) eat matza ashira during the 3 meals, because matza ashira is not considered as real matza, so people STILL makes the difference between BEFORE and During pessach.
    Second of the reason: matza ashira is NOT chametz, so permissible JUST before pessach, and deleting ALL the difficulties!
    Pessach casher vesameach!

  5. From what I looked up, it's a huge argument in the poskim if one should use Matzo Ashiro on this Shabbos (after all, Chazal also knew about Matzo Ashiro yet they suggested keeping 2-meals worth of Chometz)

    The Igros Moshe allows it - but only as long as may may eat Chometz - which leaves us with the problem of the 3rd meal in the afternoon.